Comments: Moron Mail

While i agree with you about this guy, and with some of your comments, i think ur giving him too hard of a time, simply because you disagree with him, some of ur comments i dont agree with, and i dont think you would agree if you saw them out of context of this letter. The only reason you say some of theze comments is 'cause u dont like this guy (who i happen to know). although, since i know him, i'm probably biased too so, to quote andy rooney,"so you know, like, whatever man"

Posted by Ben at September 22, 2005 03:27 PM

wait, i itnhk i know who wrote this too, but im not too sure.

kit: right on man, this guy has logic like a pile of doodoo (and doodoo piles are pretty stupid. say, stupider than a moose)

ben: IM me, i need to see if im right aobut who this is.

Posted by at September 22, 2005 04:47 PM

that last comment was by me, alex hill. i just forgot my name.

Posted by alex at September 22, 2005 04:48 PM

I wanted to do something exactly like this, but I forgot :( At least I can dutifully point people who agree with this "Pantsman" in this direction.

Posted by David at September 22, 2005 06:12 PM

Sigh... Guys. Intelligent people take RESPONSIBILITY for THEIR OWN EDUCATIONS. If this guy, or any of you, want to learn to write, write some short stories, and show them to your teachers. I'm sure they'll give you some kind of credit for it. School isn't supposed to be fun. You're supposed to learn there. The reason there is homework is so that you practice what you learn. Basic principles of school. The way I see it, the more you take responsibility for your own education, WORK, and sincerely TRY to learn ON YOUR OWN, you will learn more. This is not to say that it will get you a better grade, but this kind of studying will prepare you for LIFE. My problem with this guy is that he or she has obviously not made an effort to learn on his or her own while going to school.
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Posted by Sam at September 22, 2005 06:40 PM

Don't go to your school, but I have say that this kid is well... not very smart or good at writing. A great portion of his letter is him arguing that the writing program is redundant, yet somehow he still cannot write a formal letter? He either sucks at writing, or was too lazy to use spellcheck and read it a second time for grammar. Not that that is unlikely, since he probably considers himself smart, and as he said, all smart people are lazy. God... that line really annoyed me. If people are fed up with the redundancy of English class, why don't they write a letter that makes sense and isn't annoying to read? What's his logic again?

1. Smart people are lazy - wait... - NATURALLY lazy.
2. Reducing the amount of work that people have to do makes them less lazy.
3. When teachers collect homework, they are favoring the dumber kids.
4. The dumber kids will copy off of the smarter kids homework which the smarter kids were to lazy to do.
5. These dumb kids will turn in the homework that they copied off the smarter kids, while the smarter kids won't turn in the homework because they didn't do it. (Read that one again, see if your mind fries)
6. These dumb kids will also ask the smart kids for answers right before a test, and pass it while the smart kids fail. (Try reading this one again as well)

I'm sorry, but this really bugs me. Even reading this without Kit's comments, this letter is just poor. I don't have much respect for kids who criticize teachers without a very legitimate reason (not "He/She gave me a bad grade", or "One day I came in five minutes late and got in trouble, but another Tommy came in ten minutes late and he/she didn't care").

Another thing that pisses me off is people who can't write, but try and make their work public. I'm sorry this is so blunt, but if you can't write decently, don't write a letter of criticism. It really detracts from your argument.

On the side note, loved your comments Kit. One or two were a bit strange, but for the most part I agree, and I would probably add a bit more myself.

"Yeah! They're testing my intelligence rather than keeping me entertained! What bastards!"

That made me crack up.

Posted by Andrew at September 22, 2005 08:30 PM

Wow. Logic-tastic! Nice one, Andrew. -I'm really not trying to be sarcastic. I liked the comment.

Posted by Sam at September 22, 2005 09:48 PM

I wrote a pair of haiku about him:

His is a closed mind.
His words are arrows. Bent, burnt.
Logic deserts him.

In his day of need
his perceptions twist him as
flowers closed at night.

Because I felt like it. He needs to realize that the reason people who fail at school fail at life is because it's basically the same social situation.
Stupid people and smart people are mixed together and given an abundance of largely meaningless tasks to complete.
School is not a test of intelligence. Corporate America doesn't give a shit if you're a brilliant mind or if you have within yourself the potential for great things.
In real life you do not get hand-outs for being intelligent. If you do the work and do it efficiently and well, you get noticed and you get hired. A McDonald's employee with a 152 IQ and terrible work habits doesn't man the frier or wrap burgers any better than one with an IQ of 95 and fast hands.

Posted by Jack at September 23, 2005 11:35 PM

Wow...some people...

Look, I'm not the greatest at rants nor am I very...adept at expressing my opinion on the English Department at Whitman. However, I will say this to whoever wrote this letter: Shut the hell up. If you want to write a novel or a sequel or a short story do like Kit said and take a creative writing class. Don't try and hide behind the notion that all smart people are lazy. I consider myself somewhat smart, and oftentimes you can find me digging through my backpack in the Black & White office for a soda because I'm panting from running around doing work. There's a difference between your intelligence and your work ethic, and the two are not necessarily correlated to begin with. Also, just because you think something doesn't make it true. I personally loved Raisin and the Sun (complete with its character analysis and so forth) and, wonderful as one may be, if you think an Orson Scott Card book has more literary value it is my opinion that you're a short-sighted jackass. I adore the Ender series enough to holler, "It's Speaker FOR the Dead, dumbass!" but really.

Congrats to Kit and everyone else who posted for spotting a complete moron and tearing apart his fragmented and poorly written views.

Posted by Eric at October 7, 2005 06:01 PM

Alex and Ben, you are both retards. Don't insult this guy when you can't even spell you're. And doodoo is not a funny word. You are not funny.

This guy, in my belief, has every right to complain, even if I don't agree with it. This guy, unlike you, took time to articulate his words. This is all funny because you bitch about IDers for doing exactly what you did on the top of this page. You can make him look like a retard, but can you do better?

Again, Alex and Ben, shut up.

Also, I only read their comments, if I repeated what someone else said, sorry.

Posted by at October 9, 2005 02:55 PM

Kit, this was written by Johnathan Ecker, a 10th grader at WWHS. The e-mail list is that of last year's Science Fiction and Fantasy Writing Club, which Ecker used without permission to distribute this crap. After talking with my brother, the head of the club, and a couple other people, we decided that this was a total rant that didn't even work.

However, John somehow found a way to switch to Honors (which he later told me was by just asking to be), and he apparently is being totally moronic. Upon enterring Honors English, he came into my class and hasn't put forth much effort. One day in class he decided to do the reading for the story that was being discussed at the same time, with the book right in front of him not while not helping out his group. Then when he went to do the speeches, he stalled for a long while and later confided with me that he had written it that morning without much practice. I'd also love to point out that his speech used the phrase "like drugs and sex," to refer to a short story that had no parallel to that whatsoever.

He recently sent another e-mail out to the same mailing list, this time being extraordinarily immature by threatening to kill English teachers with lightsabers. He also posted his original rant in the Scuzz Forum, which was completely irrelevant considering that he posted it in the wrong forum (Chit-Chat over School related topics). John just hasn't thought it over to ask people if they want to know what he thinks before going out and spamming us.

Posted by Evanw at October 9, 2005 06:40 PM

     In response to our nameless friend here (who I will refer to from now on as bannedip simply because that's what he used to be), I did not do the exact same thing at the top of the page. First and foremost, I have only the most vague idea of what you just said because it was all written so poorly that it made no sense.
     "This is all funny because you bitch about IDers for doing exactly what you did on the top of this page." I don't remember doing "exactly what IDers did," but I also don't think it's at the top of this, or any other page on my website. Assuming that you mean something along the lines of:
     "This is all funny because the letter that you posted about ID being taught in schools is exactly the same as the letter that you're mocking." If this is what you actually meant than you obviously didn't read either letter very well. I wouldn't have cared about the email about the English department if it had been well written (aka good grammar and good spelling), or had a reasonably intelligent line of logic. Unfortunately this letter had neither of those things. This letter was a pile of shit. The letter from however, was written very well, was witty, and was sent to the proper people. Sending a letter which should be addressed to the English department heads at Montgomery County to those who signed up for Fantasy writing club doesn't strike me as having any point or helping your case. Glad to see that I could at least beat some sense into you though.

Posted by kit at October 9, 2005 09:09 PM

All we have to remember is do not remember how badly this was done. He probably wrote it in the damn e-mail, I'd like to think of how many flames would go his way if he transferred it from a Word document.

Posted by Evanw at October 10, 2005 06:33 AM

this kid is an IDIOT. i cant believe i know him... i am not at all suprised that he would write something like this. jesus. people like this should be used to make sausage meat.

Posted by annie from lunch at October 10, 2005 08:21 PM

John really didn't bother with this, let's just agree that if this ever happens again, we'll play the beat-senseless game.

Posted by Evanw at October 10, 2005 09:43 PM

So, Jonathan Ecker wrote this? No wonder. He isn't the smartest kid I know, does plenty of "stupid" jokes, and plays video games all day long. And he was lucky enought to get the worst english teachers (on his opinion) since 7th grade - complained about them every day.
I'm not that surprised that he did something like that ;-)

Posted by Cavalkaf at October 12, 2005 08:25 AM

Random comment that really has no bearing on anything... you only re-learn order of operations up to a certain point in math class. Eventually, you're expected to know PEMDAS without a reminder.

Posted by Eric at November 14, 2005 10:09 PM
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